An Interview With The Insane

sp729us (12:22:48): Happy (X-ian) New Year

tunixman (12:24:12): Happy New Year. Although the euphemism we Jews use is "Secular".

tunixman (12:24:24): Which is strange if you think about it.

tunixman (12:24:42): Atheistic Jews calling X-Tian's "Secular".

sp729us (12:25:1): Yes, sort of a self-contradition

sp729us (12:25:11): contradiction (you know what I meant :)

tunixman (12:25:14): It's something we have a lot of experience with.

tunixman (12:25:32): Jews have spent millenia pondering exactly those things.

tunixman (12:25:43): How can you be a Jew if there's no Israel?

tunixman (12:25:53): How can there be a G-d if there is a Holocaust?

tunixman (12:26:18): How can the Bible be the word of G-d if it's clearly not even attempting to be self-consistent?

tunixman (12:26:32): Hell, it opens with three completely conflicting creation stories.

tunixman (12:26:39): And gets better from there.

sp729us (12:26:55): God likes a good joke?

tunixman (12:27:2): You have no idea....

tunixman (12:27:20): A bowl of chicken soup doesn't hurt either...

sp729us (12:27:29): Anyone with eyes sees that

tunixman (12:27:38): Well, actually, I'd imagine you're one of the few that does have some idea...

sp729us (12:27:58): but if you are a wanna-be Greek Philosopher, you invent explanations

tunixman (12:28:6): But yeah, man, that's a recurring theme in the last 3k years of Jewish analysis.

tunixman (12:28:40): Heh, well, it's so much easier to create an explanation and then reason backwards to "Truth".

tunixman (12:28:48): I love letting people do that.

sp729us (12:28:57): Deduction

sp729us (12:29:6): Platonic Ideals

tunixman (12:29:8): And then pointing out an the end the underlying flaw.

tunixman (12:29:30): I was just doing that the other day actually...

sp729us (12:29:31): Yeah, its like watching Windows reboot after a BSOD

tunixman (12:29:36): Hahahah!

tunixman (12:29:53): Nothing can compare to the beauty of that self-declaration of fail.

tunixman (12:30:23): Although if you've ever seen OS X's version of that, it's a fucking work of typographical art.

sp729us (12:30:43): Yeah... a new version of Windows, a new color of "blue"

sp729us (12:31:11): You know, I never have seen an OSX segfault or something of the type

tunixman (12:31:29): I mean, seriously, who panics the kernel that runs the whole fucking show, and then displays a beautifully rendered screen of perfect typography, complete with sub-pixel anti-aliasing, explaining exactly how to reset the computer.

tunixman (12:31:40): It's absolute beauty.

sp729us (12:31:51): HAhahahaha

sp729us (12:33:13): Is it this one? http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter5/panic/images/panic_3.jpg

sp729us (12:33:27): In four languages no less

tunixman (12:33:44): http://public.rcs4u.dhttp://public.rcs4u.de/_arne/panic/osx.jpge/_arne/panic/osx.jpgv

sp729us (12:33:45): Multicultural computer death messages

tunixman (12:33:46): Yeah

tunixman (12:33:49): that's it

tunixman (12:34:9): And the background is even perfect iconography.

tunixman (12:34:16): "This is the button we mean"

tunixman (12:34:30): That is how I want to redesign The UNIX Man.

tunixman (12:34:36): The web site, th

tunixman (12:34:47): the process, the interactions with the people...

tunixman (12:35:5): Everything from first principles should be fundamentally easy and obvious.

tunixman (12:35:25): I have no idea how I'll get there. But at least I know where I'm starting.

sp729us (12:37:8): That is a huge goal... not sure even how Apple manages to do it. What do they do? Consult with extraterrestials, "so once we advance, what interface will we use?"

tunixman (12:37:32): No, actually, I've been following them for three decades.

tunixman (12:37:35): Literally.

tunixman (12:37:49): 1971 I think they were founded...

tunixman (12:38:0): Steve Jobs had this idea.

tunixman (12:38:32): And started by getting the most brilliant person he knew involved (Wozniak). And not just as an employee.

tunixman (12:38:39): As a full equal.

tunixman (12:38:47): And he's been doing that since.

tunixman (12:39:12): In many ways I'm easily able to subvert their technology to my needs.

tunixman (12:39:38): But to do what they've done over the past 40 years or so of hard research and implementation...

tunixman (12:39:55): Even I'm thinking hard about just what it would take me to do it...

tunixman (12:40:42): Which is why I'm starting by finding ways to get other people involved. But then getting busy with drugs, sex, and withdrawal from said items of interest.

tunixman (12:40:47): Oh. And being a bum.

tunixman (12:40:49): :)

tunixman (12:41:9): And I reregistered a domain I let lapse years ago. I'm going to make it my blog.

sp729us (12:44:5): What is the name?

tunixman (12:44:20): theunixronin.com

sp729us (12:44:29): Sweet!

tunixman (12:44:30): I'm setting up Plone on it today sometime.

tunixman (12:44:33): I need to write.

tunixman (12:44:38): It's been too long.

sp729us (12:44:57): Great, you skipped the whole Great Native American Novel

tunixman (12:45:12): I haven't started it yet.

tunixman (12:45:17): But it won't be a novel.

tunixman (12:45:23): It'll be a series of shorts.

sp729us (12:45:29): Awesome!

tunixman (12:46:45): Sort of in the style of Vonnegut/Slaughterhouse Five etc.

tunixman (12:46:56): Or "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls".

sp729us (12:47:2): Nice

tunixman (12:47:8): With some uuhhhh.... crap

tunixman (12:47:11): Can't remember.

tunixman (12:47:14): Fucking drugs.

tunixman (12:47:57): I've accepted completely the fact that unless I'm in a state of abject overdose by any reasonable standard, I just can't function.

sp729us (12:48:18): Writing will help. Hey, I saw an article on meditation and how it may effect the brain structure

tunixman (12:48:29): Of course it does.

tunixman (12:48:35): The brain structure changes.

tunixman (12:48:40): Even after death.

tunixman (12:48:47): And that's what really bakes the noodle.

sp729us (12:49:2): I've always believed so, but this is the first article I saw that explored it scientfically.

sp729us (12:49:13): Wow

tunixman (12:49:16): How do the structural changes of the brain during and after brain death feel to the dying?

tunixman (12:49:38): Which leads to whether and what the nature of the soul is.

tunixman (12:49:59): Oh. There's been an assload of active research in that particular area for a couple of decades.

tunixman (12:50:29): It's just that no one in the general public gave a crap until we had a black man elected to office.

tunixman (12:50:48): Because now California is cool and not just some weird place on the other side of the world.

sp729us (12:50:51): Now all the sudden, everyone questions reality?

tunixman (12:50:59): So Eastern philosophy is in vogue.

sp729us (12:51:2): Hahahaha

tunixman (12:51:33): Here's how you predict what will be popular now. Look at what I was studying 20 years ago on my own while banished to the school library as "pusishment".

tunixman (12:51:39): "Punishment"

tunixman (12:51:43): whatever.

tunixman (12:51:46): Seriously.

tunixman (12:52:12): Meditation. 1982, San Dimas Public Library. Look at the checkout logs if they still exist.

tunixman (12:52:54): It's 2010 now. And now you see in the mainstream national press (and not just the LA Weekly or SJ Mercury) articles discussing research dating back to the 60s.

tunixman (12:52:59): Apple.

tunixman (12:53:25): Zen. Yoga. And now for my personal favorite.

tunixman (12:54:24): Being able to hold two mutually contradictory philosophies in your head, accepting them both as truth, and deriving a series of axioms from that state where there are no contradictions.

tunixman (12:54:37): That is what the real brilliant people do.

tunixman (12:55:6): Not the fucking whining American middle-aged nancy boys all afraid of losing their houses, their cars, their families they never wanted.

tunixman (12:55:13): All looking for the meaning in life.

tunixman (12:55:26): Hoping that someone, somewhere has the answer to the question.

tunixman (12:55:36): Douglas Adams got it exactly right.

tunixman (12:55:37): 42.

tunixman (12:55:45): Because it's damned fucking meaningless.

tunixman (12:56:1): We should try living.

tunixman (12:56:28): And not just waiting to die, hoping someone else will pull the trigger on the gun in our mouths before we do.

tunixman (12:56:35): Fucking pussies.

tunixman (12:56:40): Wow.

tunixman (12:56:42): Ok.

tunixman (12:56:46): You were saying?

tunixman (12:56:52): I yield the floor.

sp729us (12:58:39): You are right. I came to that conclusion long ago... denied it through most of 1994 through 2006. If others accepted the truth, so many people would stop doing what everyone has come to depend/rely on them doing. Patterns would be disrupted, you are talking stuff that would make the 60's look like a fucking picnic

tunixman (12:58:53): The 60's was a picnic.

tunixman (12:59:15): Thompson even pointed out exactly where Leary fucked up.

tunixman (12:59:51): And the picnic ended because we realized that Leary, while brilliant in his own right, was still a product of the WWII generation.

tunixman (13:0:4): And couldn't let go of the pre-war belief in Right and Wrong.

sp729us (13:0:11): Well, it was enough for the US conservative culture to nearly collapse. They have been retaking lost ground since the 80's I guess I am trying to get the hell out of here, and see if

tunixman (13:0:15): But yet without him, there would be no Thompson.

tunixman (13:0:23): US conservative culture?

tunixman (13:0:26): BWAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH!

tunixman (13:1:9): US conservative culture is what people talk about when they talk about the brief episode in our history starting around 1950 and lasting until around 1971 or so.

sp729us (13:1:14): the pseudo-christian movement that the republican party has to ally with

tunixman (13:1:22): Hardly conservative by any real definition of the word.

tunixman (13:1:27): Actually quite the opposite.

tunixman (13:1:37): And nothing like american culture at all.

tunixman (13:1:41): Not even of the time.

tunixman (13:1:51): But I digress.

tunixman (13:2:2): Heh, the republican party.

sp729us (13:2:4): Well, they appropriated the term and call themselves conservative.

tunixman (13:2:31): They used to be the ones representing what really is the US Cultural ideal.

tunixman (13:2:39): But that was 150 years ago.

tunixman (13:3:26): Now, somehow, after nearly failing to win the War of Northern Aggression, they've been actually taken over by those same ignorant inbred fucks that actually thought slavery was brilliant.

tunixman (13:3:40): It's absolute lunacy.

tunixman (13:3:52): And now the Democrats are sort of getting it.

sp729us (13:3:53): Yes, sad but true

tunixman (13:4:20): But only because Clinton managed to be absolutely brilliant and there at the right time.

tunixman (13:4:40): And so we had eight years of Jeffersonian/Washingtonian governance again.

tunixman (13:4:46): And you know what?

tunixman (13:4:50): It fucking worked.

tunixman (13:5:15): It was so fucking stunning.

tunixman (13:5:53): Regan too. Somehow. Well, in the early years. Regan, Clinton, and, well, yeah.

tunixman (13:6:7): They're the two reasons we're not in complete poverty yet.

tunixman (13:6:16): Regan was a California Republican.

tunixman (13:6:27): Which is nearly the same an an Arkansas Democrat.

sp729us (13:7:16): I think despite the best leadership, there is a development or result/product of the decadent Christian culture that will be born soon.

tunixman (13:7:53): That's always been present here, though.

tunixman (13:8:27): The fuckers that wrote the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, that won the War of Colonial Insurrection, they were all like us.

tunixman (13:8:36): And I don't mean the modern american faggot.

tunixman (13:8:47): They were like you, me, Rico, Doug.

tunixman (13:9:29): Rich land owners, Christian Militants, Homosexuals, Philanderers, Scientists, Atheists who talk to G-d every morning and every evening...

tunixman (13:9:49): And they all really couldn't stand each other's ideals.

tunixman (13:10:4): Which is why there's the 3/5ths clause.

tunixman (13:10:14): (Or is it 2/5ths... I can't remember.)

tunixman (13:10:24): It's exactly what I was saying earlier.

sp729us (13:10:30): 3/5. Yes, the tendency for blind faith/obedience always been there (despite the efforts of the Reformation). What is different is the information technology, look at the Chinese

tunixman (13:10:34): But multiplied by a large number.

tunixman (13:10:43): Heh, the Chinese.

sp729us (13:11:37): They are demonstrating how to implement Big Brother properly (and if they don't destroy themselves in the attempt) it will transform the world.

tunixman (13:11:41): Another great civilization totally ignored by the US mainstream until they mentioned that "Oh, btw, we have 30% of your GDP in USD cash sitting here.... We see you're struggling a bit... Should we sell a small fraction of it to see what will happen?"

sp729us (13:12:6): LOL exactly

tunixman (13:12:33): They're demonstrating how to do it in a way that only just barely works at the moment, and only because China hasn't been unified since the Communist revolution.

tunixman (13:12:51): Hell, it was barely unified then. Japan pretty much saw to that, after Britian had a go at it.

tunixman (13:13:19): Imperial China was incredibly well run until the last dynasty.

tunixman (13:13:31): From the unification until that point.

sp729us (13:13:59): My point is the IT combined with decadent Christian dogmatism will kill the Jeffersonian model.

tunixman (13:14:1): And what we see now is a mangled, walking corpsified zombie of that brilliance.

tunixman (13:14:7): Hardly.

tunixman (13:14:20): How is it do you think I'm running this little revolution.

tunixman (13:14:51): IT combined with the Secular Humanist ideal.

sp729us (13:14:58): The control over information has not existed to the same degree it does now (in China) since their first Emperor burned libraries and buried scholars alive

tunixman (13:15:1): Which is really what will come out of the whole IT thing.

tunixman (13:15:4): In china?

tunixman (13:15:9): They don't control information.

tunixman (13:15:19): They give that appearance to the rest of the world.

sp729us (13:15:20): They do within their boundaries

tunixman (13:15:25): BWAHAHAHAHAHH!

tunixman (13:15:30): Are you serious?

tunixman (13:15:32): Oh.

tunixman (13:15:33): Wait.

tunixman (13:15:36): I forgot.

tunixman (13:15:50): There is a 10 - 20 year lag between me and the rest of the world...

tunixman (13:16:8): They control the lives of some of their citizens, mainly by ending tehm.

tunixman (13:16:38): And so like post-9/11 US Culture, there is a certain fear that is pervasive.

tunixman (13:17:36): But like the same people who subverted our own technology in such a fucking bizarrely primitive way, took down the WTC, and gave Bush the excuse he needed to become a boy-emperor for a day, china controls information in about the same way.

tunixman (13:17:51): The "Great fireWall of China" was built by US companies.

tunixman (13:17:58): then china redid it.

tunixman (13:18:7): But they couldn't do any better.

tunixman (13:18:20): Because their workers built it while working for the US companies.

sp729us (13:18:34): Yes, that's my point. Soon they won't need the US to produce their own IT innovations

tunixman (13:18:41): It's a fucking impossible thing to do, really, from an Information Theory perspective.

tunixman (13:18:54): Well, ummm, wow.

tunixman (13:18:57): They never did.

tunixman (13:20:1): And the one thing that still lingers from that era of post-war bullshit philosophy is that everyone is a self-sufficient pod, or is a loser bum leeching money from society.

tunixman (13:20:8): Which is complete and utter crap.

tunixman (13:21:1): China doesn't need us because their current administration is very skillfully walking the fine line between the Communist Party and Reality that they have to in order to actually treat their citizens as assets instead of liabilities.

tunixman (13:21:11): Much as post-berlin-wall Germany did.

tunixman (13:21:50): The German economy was shit for 20 years after the wall fell, not because of all the poor people leaching on it. but because the German people chose to actually reintegrate.

tunixman (13:22:17): Much like Lincoln had started doing after very nearly losing his war.

tunixman (13:22:24): But then he was assassinated.

tunixman (13:22:37): And we showed the world exactly how not to treat citizens.

tunixman (13:22:59): Especially the ones you just beat the fuck out of, and now want to be part of your culture and society.

tunixman (13:23:13): Germany learned from that mistake we're still making.

tunixman (13:23:42): We on the other had, well, we see the great public works projects of the Depression as a waste.

tunixman (13:23:52): But they are the only things sustaining us.

sp729us (13:23:58): The mistake the US is making, namely? Invading the third-world?

tunixman (13:24:2): No.

tunixman (13:24:17): That we've always done like a bunch of idiots.

tunixman (13:24:31): Trying to be the British Empire without knowing the first thing about occupation.

tunixman (13:24:40): Children with machine guns and atom bombs.

tunixman (13:25:14): The mistake we're making is trying to measure the value of social programs in a 5-year P&L timeframe.

tunixman (13:25:41): All while ignoring the fact that we're still running on infrastructure built 70 years ago.

tunixman (13:25:51): And it's only just now starting to fall apart.

tunixman (13:26:36): And that it's expense was high, and brief, and the payoff has been that we could pretend like it was a waste of money and not continue investing in it for 70 years.

tunixman (13:26:44): We see our own people as a liability.

tunixman (13:26:56): We see social programs as a waste of money.

tunixman (13:27:14): All while living a life enabled by some of the largest social projects ever undertaken.

tunixman (13:27:58): And seeing that Germany and their 50-year plan of actually investing in all of their citizens is now starting to pay off handsomely.

sp729us (13:28:4): When you say 70 years, what infrastructure besides railroads are you including?

tunixman (13:28:8): They and France own the EU.

tunixman (13:28:15): Wow.

tunixman (13:28:16): So.

tunixman (13:28:35): The Interstate system. The power grid. The railroads were actually built much earlier.

tunixman (13:28:55): Mostly they were complete before the war between the states.

tunixman (13:29:4): On federal land grants, no less.

tunixman (13:29:32): Much like the great agricultural system in the "west", which we now like to call the "midwest".

sp729us (13:29:38): Courtesy of the native americans, no less

tunixman (13:30:6): The physical plant of nearly every public school west of the Mississippi.

tunixman (13:30:23): The TVA. Yes, a bit of a joke, but still around, and still sort of working.

tunixman (13:31:10): The system of levees and dams that kept New Orleans afloat until we just recently noticed it might be in need of some maintenance...

tunixman (13:31:16): the California Aqueduct.

tunixman (13:31:18): Yes.

tunixman (13:31:37): All built on the backs of people we didn't view as important parts of our citizenry.

sp729us (13:31:48): These all were created in the 1940's?

tunixman (13:31:49): Which is the delicious irony of the whole fucking mess.

tunixman (13:31:52): No.

tunixman (13:31:55): Not all.

tunixman (13:32:10): Mullholland actually was a bit before that.

sp729us (13:32:11): most?

tunixman (13:34:7): But between the land grants of the railroads and of farmland, through the public works projects of the depression, minus the "Reconstruction" of the South which pretty much fucked them royally even worse than the war, all of the things that have allowed the ignorant fucks that actually believe Limbaugh is our Prophet and GWB our Savior to continue their comfortable beliefs are crumbling only just now.

sp729us (13:34:24): I see. So... if I get this straight, the political elites argue such investments were really a waste all the while they profit from it?

tunixman (13:34:30): And now we're seeing the results in not valuing things that may not have a 3 - 5 year payoff.

tunixman (13:34:44): It's even more cynical than that.

tunixman (13:35:53): The US citizenry actually believes these were all the epitome of government waste, all while believing that the successful projects were the ones built by private funding, while completely ignoring that the privately-funded ones still took advantage of massive asset-infusion from the federal government.

tunixman (13:36:15): The brilliance of those programs was that yes, they were built by private companies.

tunixman (13:36:51): And largely funded in the short term by these same companies in exchange for long-term asset grants from the federal administrations.

tunixman (13:37:17): But the real bitch of it is that most people don't know fundamental economics.

tunixman (13:37:24): So if it isn't cash, in doesn't exist.

tunixman (13:37:41): The modern political "elite" is actually much more complex than that.

sp729us (13:37:44): If you follow that train of thought, you must ask "why" would the elites effectively refuse to invest further in the US, given that they benefited so much from the original investment in public works?

tunixman (13:37:48): And many of them do actually "get it".

tunixman (13:37:52): Ah.

tunixman (13:37:53): Well.

tunixman (13:38:1): And now we get to the real point.

tunixman (13:38:9): Who are these "elites"?

tunixman (13:38:12): The Bushes?

tunixman (13:38:17): The Kennedys?

tunixman (13:38:25): Two polar opposites.

tunixman (13:38:39): And lets go down one level.

sp729us (13:38:41): No, it don't believe in oligarchical families

tunixman (13:39:23): Well, when these families are actually the political powerhouses doing battle in the House and Senate, and even the Oval Orifice on occasion, they can hardly be ignored.

tunixman (13:39:27): But point taken.

sp729us (13:39:29): In this case, the elite are the major corporations. They "vote" by their money and corruption

tunixman (13:39:38): They aren't the end-all-be-all of american elitism.

tunixman (13:39:41): Oh?

tunixman (13:39:49): Ah, yes.

tunixman (13:39:53): The major corporations.

tunixman (13:40:13): Who voted with their money and corruption to take on these projects in the first place.

tunixman (13:40:20): Because the incentives were there.

tunixman (13:40:36): Land grants to the railroads. The railroad companies invested.

sp729us (13:40:36): Right, the same wealth isn't to be had now

tunixman (13:40:45): Oh, it most certainly is.

sp729us (13:40:48): No more native americans to push out

tunixman (13:41:1): Only now, the profit is the war machine instead of the citizenry.

tunixman (13:41:6): And that right there is my point.

tunixman (13:41:36): The federal, state, and local governments all administer projects funded by money taken as taxes in one way or another.

tunixman (13:41:49): These projects put the money back into the economy.

tunixman (13:41:59): The real problem isn't that.

tunixman (13:42:24): The real problem is that after WWII, the projects all revolved around "defense".

tunixman (13:42:37): And not around "The University System", or "The Highway System".

tunixman (13:42:46): WWII ended the highway programs.

tunixman (13:44:6): What was completed in the 50s (which is when most of the Interstates were built) was largely already funded by pre-war funds that were overlooked since the big corporate machine was skillful enough to convince the war machine that having a highway system would make us much more defensible in case of invasion.

tunixman (13:44:22): And yet that is a fucking ridiculous proposition.

tunixman (13:44:30): We have two very large motes.

tunixman (13:44:42): And two very large and very impassible land masses.

tunixman (13:45:7): And lets assume that china does find a way to land 100000 troops in Los Angeles.

tunixman (13:45:20): I'd put money on them making it nearly to El Monte.

tunixman (13:45:35): It would be like Napoleon's march to Moscow.

tunixman (13:45:46): Only no one would return a Chinese soldier.

tunixman (13:45:57): And few, if any, shots would be fired.

tunixman (13:46:32): And then only out of anger, or because there would be a few people in the troops that actually believed in what they were doing.

tunixman (13:46:43): The rest just want to live life.

tunixman (13:46:51): And would quickly desert.

sp729us (13:46:54): Yeah, I don't see conventional or even nuclear war being used to settle rights to resource access. We have too well developed system of international investment.

tunixman (13:47:4): Exactly.

tunixman (13:47:14): And that was the brilliance of bin Laden.

tunixman (13:47:21): He knew our system better than we did.

tunixman (13:48:17): With an investment measured in terms of the net worth of an average middle-class American, he toppled what was left of a paper-mache superpower.

tunixman (13:48:27): We were on our way out anyway.

tunixman (13:48:37): He just catalyzed the process.

tunixman (13:48:51): And now we're actually having to learn.

tunixman (13:49:1): China at any point could finish the job.

sp729us (13:49:2): You going to write this in your blogs?

tunixman (13:49:12): The EU doesn't give two shits about us anymore.

tunixman (13:49:30): Not that they ever had to, except as a curiosity after the colonial insurrection.

sp729us (13:49:36): It will, which is why the EU has allied itself with Russia, exactly as a counterweight to China

tunixman (13:50:1): And they played their games here, and we had the Monroe doctrine, and the Bush doctrine, and these doctrines were largely laughed at.

tunixman (13:50:12): Because by the time they were made, they were irrelevant.

tunixman (13:50:40): Yeah, man, the EU needs Russia because Russia is like a giant landlocked US.

tunixman (13:50:58): they're impossible to conquer not because they're great.

tunixman (13:51:15): they're impossible to conquer because you can't get there from here.

tunixman (13:51:21): No matter where "here" happens to be.

sp729us (13:51:23): And they have some great natural resources

tunixman (13:51:40): And now that the Soviet Union has fallen, they really are very much like the US.

tunixman (13:51:48): I dare anyone to take Kiev.

tunixman (13:52:1): And then have the fortitude to hold it longer than 12 minutes.

tunixman (13:52:7): And then go on to Moscow.

tunixman (13:52:21): And even then, if you managed that, winter comes early in Russia.

tunixman (13:52:34): And the Russians know how to handle their winters.

tunixman (13:52:58): And that assumes that they don't just pack up Kiev and move it somewhere else once they see you coming.

tunixman (13:53:5): And then bomb the fuck out of you.

tunixman (13:53:19): (Yes, I know Kiev in in the Ukraine. That's exactly my point.)

tunixman (13:53:27): Try and take Los Angeles.

tunixman (13:53:33): And if you do, guess what?

tunixman (13:54:2): You've just added 10 - 20 million of the most ritous motherfuckers to your populace that you now have to somehow control.

tunixman (13:54:7): And then what?

tunixman (13:54:11): Vegas?

tunixman (13:54:13): Phoenix?

tunixman (13:54:16): HAhahahaah!

tunixman (13:54:19): Good fucking luck.

tunixman (13:54:29): And taht's my point about "Russia".

tunixman (13:54:55): To get to Russia you have to pass through a lot of territories that are very fucking bitter still about the Soviet rule.

tunixman (13:55:3): And don't take conquest very lightly.

tunixman (13:55:8): Lithuania.

tunixman (13:55:27): If you want to see what will happen, send troops to Lithuania.

sp729us (13:55:32): Cechnia

tunixman (13:55:33): You'll quickly see.

tunixman (13:55:35): Yeah.

tunixman (13:55:38): Exactly.

sp729us (13:55:41): or however you spell it

tunixman (13:55:49): That's close, I think.

tunixman (13:56:0): I think you can only spell it properly in Cyrillic.

tunixman (13:56:34): Oh.

tunixman (13:56:35): Yes.

tunixman (13:56:41): This is going on the blog.

tunixman (13:56:57): One of the first in teh "Interviews with a post-american drug addict".

sp729us (13:57:28): Looking forward to it.

tunixman (13:57:38): This is some fucking fascinating stuff, even if I'm totally insane.

tunixman (13:57:41): Warped.

tunixman (13:57:45): Wrong.

tunixman (13:57:52): Awesomely, horribly wrong.

tunixman (13:58:3): That would actually make me happy.

tunixman (13:58:14): To be wrong is something I very rarely experience...

tunixman (13:58:57): But unfortunately, chat is hard to actually discuss things in.

sp729us (13:59:13): And that is beside the point anyway. The duality of Right and Wrong is only a tool to assess a model. Reality is not the model

tunixman (13:59:15): But if I could get this on a site, and make it easy to actually get feedback, man.

tunixman (13:59:21): Exactly.

tunixman (13:59:32): But the real question is how predictive the model is.

tunixman (13:59:42): And not just backwards.

sp729us (13:59:45): Right

tunixman (13:59:45): But also forwards.

tunixman (13:59:49): Newton.

tunixman (13:59:53): Absolute brilliance.

sp729us (13:59:53): LOL

tunixman (13:59:57): A near perfect model.

tunixman (14:0:16): Except for the nagging differences that only seemed worse as our measurements got better.

tunixman (14:1:2): Man.

tunixman (14:1:7): I need to get out of here for a bit.

tunixman (14:1:12): But first a shower.

tunixman (14:1:18): Then starbucks for awhile.

sp729us (14:1:34): It was good chatting with you

tunixman (14:1:43): And if you're around, maybe we can continue. Or maybe I'll have the basics of a site up for this insanity by then.

tunixman (14:1:50): And then the fun can really begin...

tunixman (14:1:58): you too

tunixman (14:5:49): it's nice to be able to do this.

tunixman (14:6:4): I'm also setting up a SIP server and a Jabber server.

tunixman (14:6:18): I'm done with this Google/AOL/whatever bullshit.

sp729us (14:21:29): Ok, have you considered setting up an independent wave server?

tunixman (14:21:44): Nope.

tunixman (14:21:53): I'm ignoring wave.

tunixman (14:21:59): Well, not exactly ignoring it.

tunixman (14:22:3): But not using it.

sp729us (14:22:6): I think the wave format has the benefits of blogging with the flexibility of IM

sp729us (14:22:9): ok

tunixman (14:22:44): Google no longer is doing the kinds of research I'm actually interested in.

tunixman (14:23:2): Apple is slowly moving out of my area of focus.

tunixman (14:23:22): But actually, I'm headed out the door. I'll be back on in 15 minutes or so...

tunixman (15:11:8): Well, here I am. Needed a reboot.

tunixman (15:11:16): Still need to fix up the audio on startup.

tunixman (15:11:29): But then that's the beauty of experimenting on oneself.

sp729us (15:11:34): OSx?

tunixman (15:11:54): Kubuntu 9.10 + the beta KDE 4.4.

tunixman (15:12:4): And alpha everything possible, of course.

sp729us (15:12:4): You rock!

sp729us (15:14:37): I added a PPA repository and now I'm alpha and pre on more than I would have liked.

sp729us (15:14:59): like FF 3.5.8pre

sp729us (15:15:53): Hey, can you recommend a Blue Tooth adapter for Linux?

tunixman (15:16:38): Oh, heh, yeah, the $9 special from Frys is actually fucking awesome.

sp729us (15:16:51): You shitting me?

tunixman (15:17:1): Nope

tunixman (15:17:8): Want me to pick you up one and send it off?

sp729us (15:17:16): so its like a USB dongle or heck yeah!

tunixman (15:17:53): I'll e-mail you a picture of OfficeMax's version which is $29.99.

sp729us (15:17:59): wow

tunixman (15:18:0): But otherwise exactly identical.

tunixman (15:18:22): And it's fucking tiny.

tunixman (15:18:33): I think I just e-mailed you the picture.

sp729us (15:18:48): I have a Altec Lansing Backseat 903 which I use with my iphone, but it dawned on me I could use it with skype on Linux

sp729us (15:19:34): Holy Shit

sp729us (15:19:46): that's microscopic

sp729us (15:23:40): Thanks for the offer. Wonder if there is anything I have you might be interested in for trade or just send you a check for $15 to cover cost and postage?

tunixman (15:24:11): Heh, yeah

tunixman (15:24:22): I use it for something similar.

tunixman (15:24:24): In fact.

tunixman (15:24:26): Actually.

tunixman (15:24:35): I use it for something exactly like that.

tunixman (15:24:43): The Plantronics Backseat 903.

tunixman (15:24:51): If you send me a check I'll return it.

tunixman (15:25:0): If you send cash I'll burn it.

tunixman (15:25:7): Your money is no good here.

tunixman (15:25:14): But I will need a mailing address...

sp729us (15:26:9): 1744 N. 9th Street Rd #11

sp729us (15:26:18): Lafayette, Indiana 47904-1089

sp729us (15:26:36): And that is really "street road" -- inbred fuckers

tunixman (15:27:43): Oh, that's common enough in California.

tunixman (15:27:49): Just not in Los Angeles.

sp729us (15:28:3): Holy shit, the plantronics is the same as Altec Lansing (at least in appearance)

tunixman (15:28:19): It's exactly the same.

sp729us (15:28:24): but costs 30% less at Amazon

tunixman (15:28:31): Because the Plantronics is the Altec.

sp729us (15:38:20): Why the two different names (except maybe to sucker me out of $40 more)?

tunixman (15:38:35): additional distribution channels.

sp729us (15:38:43): I see

tunixman (15:38:44): Plantronics has the brand name for headsets.

tunixman (15:38:57): And so they wanted to get into the stereo bluetooth market.

tunixman (15:39:6): Altec is known for high quality audio.

tunixman (15:39:23): Most people who would buy Altec have never heard of Plantronics.

tunixman (15:39:26): And vice versa.

sp729us (15:39:30): Rights

sp729us (15:39:34): right, I mean

tunixman (15:39:41): It's a scheme that's been going on for thousands of years.

tunixman (15:40:4): For awhile, there were three of us who ran 90% of the networks in DTLA.

tunixman (15:40:25): If someone got pissed and changed "consultants", they'd end up with another one of us.

tunixman (15:40:32): And we'd keep passing work around.

sp729us (15:40:56): Hahahaha

tunixman (15:42:16): But that's the way a lot of business gets done.

tunixman (16:35:17): Man. Experimenting is kind of fun. But kind of a pain.

sp729us (16:39:24): That is why I tend to use VMs, whenever possible. Although right now I am not sure if I lean more to VMware or VirtualBox

tunixman (16:39:56): Heh, yeah, I was ready to use them. But I'm a Xen man.

tunixman (16:40:14): At least on hardware without the CPU extensions.

tunixman (16:40:20): Which I happen to have.

sp729us (16:40:31): Xen is good too, from what I read. Someone ought to write up what the advantages and disadvantages of each solution.

tunixman (16:40:56): YOU CANNOT TEMPT ME WITH THAT RING BILBO BAGGINS

sp729us (16:41:3): lol

tunixman (16:41:25): The last thing I need is another article to write.

sp729us (16:42:6): ok, back in the day of talk, ntalk and talkd... do you recall what unix util was used to send a text message to the shell/console of another unix user on the same system?

sp729us (16:42:17): I know that is trivia, but I forgot how to do it

tunixman (16:42:22): talk

tunixman (16:42:26): or ntalk

tunixman (16:42:31): talkd was the mediator.

sp729us (16:42:37): that is an interactive session

tunixman (16:42:40): Although locally it amounted to the same thing.

tunixman (16:42:41): Yeah

sp729us (16:42:50): I know there was a way to send just a single text line

tunixman (16:42:51): You don't have a console without an interactive session usually.

tunixman (16:43:2): Unless you know you have one....

tunixman (16:43:7): Or you run screen...

tunixman (16:43:17): ntalk and talk basically.

tunixman (16:43:29): wall will send a message to all logged in sessions.

sp729us (16:43:43): I was looking for something like when you do shutdown -r 5 and it pumps the warning text into all consoles and shells

sp729us (16:43:49): that is the one

sp729us (16:43:50): thanks

tunixman (16:44:31): That would be wall.

tunixman (16:44:39): echo "FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS" | wall

tunixman (16:44:47): It reads the message from stdin.

sp729us (16:45:1): ah. Let's try that on a server

sp729us (16:45:19): Hahahaha

sp729us (16:45:25): That ought to piss the admins off

tunixman (16:45:32): Heh, yeah, wall is one of my personal favorites.

sp729us (16:46:45): Ah, and "write"

sp729us (16:46:56): Arigato

tunixman (16:47:31): いえいえどういたしまして

tunixman (16:48:30): Oh, wow. Write.

tunixman (16:48:35): Never knew that one.

sp729us (16:48:45): arcana, really?

tunixman (16:48:47): And of course "mesg", to control who can say what.

tunixman (16:48:49): Heh, yeah.

tunixman (16:48:58): UNIX　is massive.