From the Dylan Ratigan show on May 26, 2010, industry experts Matthew R. Simmons and Nicholas Posi discuss the rate of flow, the difficulties of getting supertankers into the gulf, ways to recover oil after its in the water, and the hubris of BP executives. They also specifically indicate that the video footage might be 5,000 gallons per day, but the amount of oil required to create the massive spill seen on the surface is much larger, implying that the actual leak is separate from the riser pipe.